Comments on: How Not To Teach Surgery http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538 Every journey has a pitstop. Welcome to mine. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:12:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alice http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538/comment-page-1#comment-2195 Alice Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:37:03 +0000 http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538#comment-2195 Wow. And I thought the surgery orientation we got in the US was rough. What I want to know is, do the real surgeons in Mexico do things this precisely, or is it, as usual, the more senior you get the less the rules matter? It sounds like surgery run by the army, or even the Nazis. Although, as far as that closed-gloving technique, I thought it was a pain to learn, even in paper gowns, but it turns out to be really useful. For one thing, on OB, there are lots of times when there's no time or extra person to help with gowning, and you better know how. But also, in surgery, I've had it happen a lot that the attending was ready to go, and the scrub nurse was helping him, while the resident(s) and student(s) were still just drying off; so at least one of us would have to self-glove, and then help the others. You feel a lot less idiotic, being able to get "dressed" on your own when you have to. Wow. And I thought the surgery orientation we got in the US was rough. What I want to know is, do the real surgeons in Mexico do things this precisely, or is it, as usual, the more senior you get the less the rules matter? It sounds like surgery run by the army, or even the Nazis.

Although, as far as that closed-gloving technique, I thought it was a pain to learn, even in paper gowns, but it turns out to be really useful. For one thing, on OB, there are lots of times when there’s no time or extra person to help with gowning, and you better know how. But also, in surgery, I’ve had it happen a lot that the attending was ready to go, and the scrub nurse was helping him, while the resident(s) and student(s) were still just drying off; so at least one of us would have to self-glove, and then help the others. You feel a lot less idiotic, being able to get “dressed” on your own when you have to.

]]> By: Sid Schwab http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538/comment-page-1#comment-2045 Sid Schwab Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:18:49 +0000 http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538#comment-2045 Wow. Guess they have enough surgical interns and don't feel the need to encourage students.... In theory, in order to avoid the repeated humiliations during an actual operation, the idea of pre-op "wet-run" makes some sense. But, as surgeon are wont to do, sounds like they turned it into some sort of perverse S and M orgy. Present company excepted, surgeons can be a$$holes. It's in the genes. Wow. Guess they have enough surgical interns and don’t feel the need to encourage students…. In theory, in order to avoid the repeated humiliations during an actual operation, the idea of pre-op “wet-run” makes some sense. But, as surgeon are wont to do, sounds like they turned it into some sort of perverse S and M orgy. Present company excepted, surgeons can be a$$holes. It’s in the genes.

]]> By: Jenna http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538/comment-page-1#comment-2042 Jenna Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:08:32 +0000 http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538#comment-2042 Beautifully portrayed down to the very last detail!! I think we all felt belittled at the end of the scrubbing. Afterall you had first hand experience of my idiotic technique, "arm once in the water, and then out, etc" But I do have to admit that our 'instructor' had the longest, gaudiest, glitziest nails I've yet to see for a 'surgeon.' All it took for her was to just show me once the proper technique and 'gasp' get her hands wet, after the skin was peeling off of ours. Lets see whats in store for tomorrrow.... Beautifully portrayed down to the very last detail!! I think we all felt belittled at the end of the scrubbing. Afterall you had first hand experience of my idiotic technique, “arm once in the water, and then out, etc” But I do have to admit that our ‘instructor’ had the longest, gaudiest, glitziest nails I’ve yet to see for a ’surgeon.’ All it took for her was to just show me once the proper technique and ‘gasp’ get her hands wet, after the skin was peeling off of ours. Lets see whats in store for tomorrrow….

]]> By: Jess http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538/comment-page-1#comment-2041 Jess Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:24:11 +0000 http://www.mexicomedstudent.com/2006/07/538#comment-2041 Hilarious...glad to know I wasn't the only who had bleeding stumps for fingers, burning arms, etc and I felt like a puppet being directed where to go except they indirectly cut the strings when you did something wrong. The next time I'm in the OR back home I'm going to yell at the vascular surgeon that he's not scrubbing properly. Yeah, that ought to go over like a fart in church. Hilarious…glad to know I wasn’t the only who had bleeding stumps for fingers, burning arms, etc and I felt like a puppet being directed where to go except they indirectly cut the strings when you did something wrong. The next time I’m in the OR back home I’m going to yell at the vascular surgeon that he’s not scrubbing properly. Yeah, that ought to go over like a fart in church.

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